UNTITLED ZINE -- unabstracted issue

²1987 Steve Marsh

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Wichita Falls, TX 76307

I've decided to do a short mailing in place of the missing issue of The Wild Hunt. I'm working on an essay, and if I don't get it done, I'll miss the January issue. That would put the comments into February, and that is so long out of date, that I figured I might as well do them now.


Glenn Blacow: Hopi black masses are the same as the French ones. Which are the same as the Hellfire Club ones were. Satanism as rebellion against the ruling order tends to have universal aspects. I feel that those are best explained by looking at the ruling order. Where it changes, the black masses reflect those changes. Rebellion over inspiration.

Terrorists don't use gass for two reasons. First, most of them are non-technical and the idea hasn't occurred to them. Ignorance is a very powerful force.

Second, everytime a terrorist gets a really bright idea, (like the guy who started making non-nitrate based explosives -- dogs can't smell them) he gets terminated with prejudice (they got the non-nitrate guy, all of his friends, all of his relatives, and half a dozen organizational cells).

Third, many "neat" weapons are dangerous, very dangerous, to those who are not careful. More American terrorists blew themselves up than blew up targets back in the days of the Weathermen.

Did you know that Kandron of Onlo was specifically addressed in the latest edition of Champions? I.e. either the 30 points of life support doesn't protect him from oxygen & water, or he doesn't get the points; no points for lost limbs with TK, etc. (such as diminishing returns on Hunteds).

On Feudalism. Russia is getting to have a hereditary bureaucracy, tied to geographic areas, with fiefs that include things besides land. It is almost feudal. Duties of support in the power structure run up & down the chain, and the fiefs are usually pretty clear.

Problem is that the support you provide is not totally military and the fiefs are not only areas of land. But your children now inherit. Sure has developed into something alot like a feudal system.

Scott Bennie: If the law article only needs a little polishing, I'll be glad to work a deal where you polish & submit and we split the money (if any -- I've never had good luck getting paid).//I like your write-ups. I'd like to see Daniel Chars & the Duck Lady in one of them (remember the energy pill/psycho social protects ducks?).

Lyndon Baugh: Welcome. What ever happened to Mike Gunderloy? I knew him way back when in '78 or so.//What size is the Tongan you work with? (You can place them socially, somewhat, by their size and manners).

On Not to worry, the other half of the book comes out in a second novel next year called An Ill Fate Marshalling.

Ricker: I find it interesting that the most polite societies are the most vertical. E.g. Imperial China. Note that the most democratic/flexible tend to seem the most rude (e.g. U.S.A. or Israel). However, compare New York City to Provo.

On firearms, the criminal society is rather well armed. Most convicted felons carry firearms all the time (when they are out of prison).

In court appointed defense work I came to know many felons rather well. I'd say 65% to 80% of them generally carried a gun or a knife.

It is the large number of armed felons (who break the law just by being armed and who are 75% likely to get caught breaking other laws and to be returned to prison) that has prompted many legislatures to consider arming citizens.

Hate to say it, but the bumper sticker about "when .. then only criminals will have guns)" is kind of true. These days the criminals are the most likely to be armed. And not terribly likely to be polite either.

Liked your write-up. Also the explanation on the goblins. I had really been wondering about that.

Check the blood-typing on Amerinds. Would you call Korea, Japan and China "racially homogenous?" Same basic racial group as the Amerinds. . .

Bob Butler: I'm looking forward to more Coda.

I wonder if Scott Bennie got overloaded on villans?

One thing I sent Scott was a hack on Glenn. The Fenris Wolf. I'd kind of like to see a hack on every TWH writer as a comix character.

Chaos Feedback!: a hack on Bob Butler


15 STR Computer Programming Exclusive powers

23 DEX Multipower (mind) (multi or elem)

23 CON Force Field Hunted

11 BDY Emotion Control Fenris Wolf

16 INT (anger only)

26 EGO Ego Defense x2 stun

14 PRE Boost PRE Irrational

14 COM Ego Blast Arguments

3 PD Acrobatics

5 ED Elemental (flame) x2 stun Water

5 SPD Fire Blast x1 body Water

10 REC Fire Wall

30 END Flying (fire) Empathic

46 STN Regen (in fire only)


Martial Arts* 45 pts

(*how did your martial arts work out? I'd written you on those and have been curious ever since you stopped answering letters)

Chaos Feedback is an elemental force made manifest in our time by means of a mortal avatar whose matching nature invoked it into the world.

The hero has three forms to chose between. In one he is a martial artist trained computer/security systems hacker. In this identity he wears no costume and appears as a common and unassuming man off the street. Shy, with a DPNPC or two (young, cute, female), and with a willingness to try.

The second form is a swirl of living, mutating mentating chaos. In this form he is tightly controlled by rational thought -- emotional states so submerged as to be hidden -- and capable of a variety of intensities and variations of power.

In the third form he is the unbound flaming power of emotion unleashed -- an avatar of fire and flame.

Hmm. Not as good as the Fenris Wolf was. However, it does combine the three faces of chaos (emotion, thought and normalicy) and it does allow you to play an emotionally exposed character, an emotionally repressed character and a normal character -- all with the same hero. Gave you some extra experience to let all three avatars be playable

My challenge to you: finish the hacks on the various contributors to TWH. Maybe Scott can put them into his next Organizations book.

Mark Swanson: I'd like some more legal (or other -- any other) background on your campaigns. I really enjoyed the write-ups and miss them.

John Sapienza: I've given some thought to whether there are too many lawyers in the United States.

Yes, and no.

There are too many for them all to make an easy living and to work as many justified hours as they want at $250.00 an hour. That day was never here (but appeared to be in the middle seventies when the "lawyer" image got established).

There are too many lawyers to have even 50% of them live the image that their role-models (law professors) lead from. At last estimate, less than 15% of the attorneys practice law in the form they go through law school expecting.


There aren't enough lawyers to get an adoption or an uncontested divorce done cheaply in most parts of the country. If most of the Pack members died in Wichita Falls, Texas, with a will, it would cost them a minimum of $1,700.00 to $2,100.00 to have that will get the "stamp of approval" from the local courts so that it could be used to pass title.

Pretty rough for the 50% of the population who dies with less than $10,000.00 in assets.

The problem is that law, like medicine, has alot of things that are probably going to be simple but that can turn out to be very complicated. And you pay for that every time you hire a lawyer. Or a doctor. After all, that dandruff & roughness might be skin cancer. (I've had a law clerk, a father and an important witness all develop skin cancer. Since the witness died before trial, I'm more than aware of it).

We had an expanding economy back in the 1960s when many attitudes were formed. Many people chose careers looking for a guaranteed meal ticket. Expecting one.

In the 60s it was graduating from college. In the 70s it was graduating from grad school. In the 80s it has been graduating from the right grad school in the top half of the class.

Not only that, but people expect more and more. Expectations are rising, the economy is no longer growing from population pressure alone, and the pool of people trying to get into "sure things" has increased. Heck, women, minorities, etc.

What makes a good secretary is the same thing it takes to make a good manager or a good attorney. Without artifical limits keeping the secretary in "her place" you are going to get another good manager or good attorney.

Add to this that anyone can go to a law school. Anyone. I've seen kids with 200 LSATs (the minimum possible scores) and 1.5 GPAs accepted into ABA accredited law schools (I was assistant director of an ABA research project). That is anyone.

The same isn't true of Medical School or Engineering or History or ...

I'd like to hear of solutions that don't make lawyers a privileged class and that don't make access to law impossible.

After all, when a Japanese nuclear reactor had a spill, they just hired guys off the street, had them clean it up, paid them in cash (negotiable bearer checks actually) and when they all died (over 80 men died), no one did anything.

And it is just as bad some places in the U.S.A. Nuff said.

Re: George Philles: George finished his PBM. I think it was a success, all in all, though he had some loose ends that never got resolved (who was the black magician, what was Surtur's real name, etc.). Most of the characters managed to retire safely and well.

If anyone is interested, I'll write up my revisionist version of the end.

Cliffords: Note that Japan has nothing on Egypt which graduates 25% of its college graduates as lawyers. And guarantees all of them jobs after graduation.

Brian McCue: I agree with your peeve re: Accross the Sea of Stars. I hate jerkiness --genuis or not, when the lack of manners serves no use. While I missed the first book, I came away with the impression that the "hero" had not been totally honest with whoever debriefed him after his meeting with the aliens.

Basically, the guy knew stuff he wasn't telling anyone and then refused to treat them with manners because they didn't believe his theory without him letting them in on his key validator. // Also, the sub-light travel times seemed a little short.

John Prenis: I'm looking forward to more on why the statues wouldn't talk to Harold.

George Philles: Moonshadow seems a little grim. Let's hope she meets up with Athena and/or makes some real friends who can legitimately help her.

Mark M. Keller: I'd really like to see a write-up on what happened in the campaign. It would make a good illustration of your points.

Mark Swanson

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Robert W. Butler, Jr.

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Glenn F. Blacow

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Bill & Pam Ricker

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Lydon Baugh

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Scott Bennie

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Brian McCue

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John Prenis

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Mark M. Keller

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John T. Sapienza, Jr.

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